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    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited =
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    How many entrants = has James=20 Randi tested for the 1 million challenge?

    maryyugo writes = '...=20 I'd like a link so I can read about it. Thousands of people have tried = the=20 preliminary tests over the years .... =

    No. This=20 is just the impression James Randi wants to give the public. =

    James=20 Randi's website states '' Between = 1997 and=20 February 15, 2005, there had been a total of 360 official, notarized=20 applications. Applications continue to pour in!=20

    The trick here is that the = word=20 'application' does not mean any 'preliminary test' or experiment was = actually=20 conducted. Application in this case means merely communication between = Randi=20 and the applicant over a possible preliminary test Randi may approve = or not.=20

    So how many applicants have been tested in a preliminary = test?=20

    According to Kramer, James Randi's 1 million challenge = assistant=20 in 2005
    '....There have = been two=20 tests since my arrival here one year ago. My understanding is that = there has=20 never been more than a couple of tests per year....'=20

    Kramer's comment was deleted from = the=20 Randi forum, Then later the thread it contained was never put back up = after an=20 forum upgrade, although most other threads returned. However if you = read this=20 thread, you will read a forum member quotes Kramer's post.
    Exactly how = many=20 'Preliminary Tests' have actually been conducted? - JREF = Forum

    So,=20 whilst the public have the impression 360 people were tested for the 1 = million, the real figure according to his 1 million challenge manager = is=20 approximately 18 people (2 per year from 1997 to=20 2005)

    The early years. How many claims did James Randi test = before=20 1997?

    The James Randi website states ' Between 1964 and 1982, Randi = declared that=20 over 650 people had applied

    Again the = word=20 'applied' is meaningless. It means 650 people inquired about a = possible test=20 protocol.

    So how many were actually tested in a preliminary = experiment=20 leading to prize test?

    According to Kramer, James Randi's 1 = million=20 challenge assistant in 2005 '........based upon my preliminary=20 investigation, is that Challenge records were VERY incomplete prior to = my=20 arrival here. There wasn't even a real application file before I got = here. We=20 have a few VHS tapes of some tests, but it's unclear how many of those = were=20 official JREF Challenge tests, as many of these tapes are VERY old and = without=20 any paperwork or accompanying data.....' =

    Notice=20 how the James Randi website cannot answer a very simple question=20 ....

    ' .....(3) To date, how many = persons=20 have been tested for the million-dollar prize offered by=20 JREF?

    That's not a simple question to answer. Many hundreds = have=20 applied, and most have had to be instructed to reapply =E2=80=94 = sometimes several=20 times =E2=80=94 because they did it incorrectly or incompletely. There = are, at any=20 given time, about 40 to 60 applicants being considered, but from = experience we=20 know that the vast majority will drop out even before any proper = preliminary=20 test can be designed. Of those who get to the preliminary = stage,=20 perhaps a third will actually be tested, and some of those will quit = before=20 completion. To date, no one has actually passed the simple = preliminaries and=20 arrived at the formal test stage, though a couple hundred have = completed and=20 failed the preliminaries. So, no one has been formally tested = for the=20 big prize, though we're ready and = willing....'
    jref=20 FAQ

    Was just 2 trials per year too complex and time = consuming to=20 add up? The above wording gives the impression hundreds have been = tested but=20 it is just a trick of the wording ....

    Those 'who get to a = preliminary=20 stage' phrase does not mean a preliminary experiment was conducted. = because=20 'some of those will quit before completion.' this means the applicant = and=20 Randi could not agree over test conditions.

    But here comes the = sneaky=20 line 'though a couple hundred have completed and failed the=20 preliminaries This is not failure to show the claim = through=20 experiment, it means a failure to agree a test protocol with Randi. =

    So=20 what does this smokescreen of words actually mean?

    - A third = of all=20 applications tested? (No)
    - A third of 40 to 60 applicants at any = given=20 time (getting closer but still too high)

    Here seems to be the = magic=20 formula .... take 40 to 60 applicants at any given time, deduct the = majority=20 who drop out =3D ??? Then divide this magic number by 3 =3D ??? Then = you have the=20 ??? number of applicants who were tested per year? Or per century? =
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited =
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    Perhaps Randi did = hundreds of=20 test experiments before 1997?

    Randi's website '.. Between 1964 and 1982, Randi declared = that over=20 650 people had applied
    Kramer manager from 2005 writes = '.... There wasn't even a real application = file before=20 I got here.

    Conclusion:

    So the word 'test' = means a=20 failed application, not an experiment
    Reaching a 'preliminary = stage' means=20 discussing a protocol not a preliminary experiment
    Failing a = 'preliminary'=20 means failing to agree with Randi that his test is fair, not actually=20 experiments.

    How many preliminary experiments? in over = a=20 decade. Can JREF answer a simple question? Or is the magic illusion of = hundreds of experiments, more important?
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited =
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    I am not suggesting = Randi hasn't=20 tested anyone, of course not. Of those 2 per year preliminary = experiments. on=20 average. How well did they do?

    Here is another curious = statement from=20 Kramer '... However, my understanding = is that=20 most applicants fail rather gloriously, performing far below CHANCE = ....'=20
    below = chance=20 expectation

    Applicants who were tested in an preliminary = experiment=20 should on average be performing at chance expectation, not 'far below = chance'.=20
    •  
      = CommentAuthor007=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago
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    His one million = dollars isn't=20 going to last long either - he's got a year at best before coughing it = up to=20 someone with a magnet motor. That is - if he plays fair and doesn't = change the=20 goal posts on his test again.

    His forums are full of the worst = kind of=20 skeptics who wouldn't believe OU if they had a rotating Orbo up their = wazoo!=20
    •  
      CommentAuthoraber0der=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited =
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    3D:swingin:=20

    Thanks!=20 3D:rolling:=20
    Best=20 thread today.
    3D:crazy:=20=20
    • CommentAuthorzpe=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago
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    LOL! The Loons are = out. I'm glad=20 I checked in tonight

    3D:crazy:=20=20
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     permalink=20
    Another year 007? = And next year=20 it will be another year, and the year after that, and the year after=20 that...

    Do you have a rotating Orbo up your wazoo? Steorn = doesn't have=20 one.

    007:His one million dollars isn't going to = last=20 long either - he's got a year at best before coughing it up to = someone with=20 a magnet motor. That is - if he plays fair and doesn't change the = goal posts=20 on his test again.

    His forums are full of the worst kind of = skeptics=20 who wouldn't believe OU if they had a rotating Orbo up their=20 wazoo!
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime1 day ago
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    By people do you = mean whackados=20 like yourself who have trouble reading basic English?

    Entrant = doesn't=20 mean tested. There is nothing tricky or deceitful. The vast majority = of=20 applicants fail to agree on a preliminary test and they are out. The = few who=20 have agreed to preliminary tests have all failed.

    The only = deception=20 here is your own self-deception.

    Tesla: How many entrants has James Randi = tested=20 for the 1 million challenge?

    maryyugo writes '... = I'd like a=20 link so I can read about it. Thousands of people have tried the = preliminary=20 tests over the years ....

    No. This is = just the=20 impression James Randi wants to give the public.

    James = Randi's=20 website states '' Between 1997 = and=20 February 15, 2005, there had been a total of 360 official, notarized = applications. Applications continue to pour in!=20

    The trick here is that the = word=20 'application' does not mean any 'preliminary test' or experiment was = actually conducted. Application in this case means merely = communication=20 between Randi and the applicant over a possible preliminary test = Randi may=20 approve or not.

    So how many applicants have been tested = in a=20 preliminary test?

    According to Kramer, James Randi's 1 = million=20 challenge assistant in 2005
    '....There have been two tests since my = arrival=20 here one year ago. My understanding is that there has never been = more than a=20 couple of tests per year....'=20

    ...deleted for = length
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited =
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    joshs:Another year 007? And next year it will = be=20 another year, and the year after that, and the year after=20 that...

    ----
    No. The JREF 1 million prize = challenge=20 ends in 2010 (if I recall correctly).

    007 is correct.
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime1 day ago edited =
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    Tell you what Josh, = you can have=20 the honour. Go request from JREF the precise number of preliminary = experiments=20 conducted by Randi or a representitive for prize money.

    Also = ask Mr=20 Randi if he would be willing to provide all = his past=20 experimental data (the ones for prize money) to an independent = scientific=20 organization who could offer some critique on methodology and = statistical=20 analysis.

    If that fails offer him 1 million to buy the data = from him.=20 3D:wink:=20=20
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime1 day ago
     permalink=20
    Whackado, JREF = offers a=20 challenge. It is not a research institute. I understand this may = confuse a=20 whackado like yourself who confuses pseudoscience for science, belief = for=20 reality etc.
    Tesla:Tell you what Josh, you can have the = honour.=20 Go request from JREF the precise number of preliminary experiments = conducted=20 by Randi or a representitive for prize money.

    Also ask Mr = Randi if he=20 would be willing to provide all his past=20 experimental data (the ones for prize money) to an independent = scientific=20 organization who could offer some critique on methodology and = statistical=20 analysis.

    If that fails offer him 1 million to buy the data = from=20 him. 3D:wink:=20
    • CommentAuthorKnuckles = O'Toole=20
    • CommentTime19 hours ago
     permalink=20
    >His forums are = full of the=20 worst kind of skeptics who wouldn't believe OU if they had a rotating = Orbo up=20 their wazoo!

    Whereas, you do!
    •  
      CommentAuthorBig Oil = Rep=20
    • CommentTime18 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Tesla, you are = absolutely right=20 - Randi is evil and if it wasn't him we'd be thousands of years more = advanced=20 - I would think we would all be communicating telepathically and just=20 trans-locating rather than using cars.
    • CommentAuthorTurbinator= =20
    • CommentTime18 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Big Oil Rep:Tesla, you are absolutely right - = Randi=20 is evil and if it wasn't him we'd be thousands of years more = advanced - I=20 would think we would all be communicating telepathically and just=20 trans-locating rather than using cars.


    =20 Don't forget the hoverboards....
    •  
      CommentAuthorBig Oil = Rep=20
    • CommentTime18 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Anyway, what is a = "wazoo"? And=20 what is an "orbo"?
    • CommentAuthorKnuckles = O'Toole=20
    • CommentTime18 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Big Oil Rep:Anyway, what is a "wazoo"? And = what is=20 an "orbo"?


    Wazoo is where the sun don't shine. = Can't help=20 you with Orbo as I have never seen one.
    •  
      CommentAuthorefend =
    • CommentTime17 hours ago
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    joshs:Whackado, JREF offers a challenge. It = is not=20 a research institute. I understand this may confuse a whackado like = yourself=20 who confuses pseudoscience for science, belief for reality etc.
    Tesla:Tell you what Josh, you can have the=20 honour. Go request from JREF the precise number of preliminary = experiments=20 conducted by Randi or a representitive for prize = money.

    Also ask Mr=20 Randi if he would be willing to provide = all his=20 past experimental data (the ones for prize money) to an = independent=20 scientific organization who could offer some critique on = methodology and=20 statistical analysis.

    If that fails offer him 1 million to = buy the=20 data from him. 3D:wink:=20


    Free=20 energy devices are fairly easy to prove, JREF does not need a high = powered=20 laboratory to discredit them. Basically, JREF needs to ask for a = working=20 model, perhaps lets say, to power JREFs offices, and run their = computers. If=20 the device runs unassisted for a indefinite period of time powering a = huge=20 load, with no inputs and verified no other energy source (easy to = verify by=20 looking for batteries, etc, and its unlikely that a small device would = have=20 enough stored energy to power a office for weeks anyway), then it is = likely=20 that its the real thing.

    The same thing with a psychic. Put a = piece of=20 paper into a safe, with something written on it, then ask them to = remote view=20 it. These things are not difficult to carry out.

    What probably = happened=20 was JREF asked for this evidence offered to take part in experiments = such as=20 these, but the claimant likely refused. The claimants can never = provide clear=20 and convincing proof of their claims. The Claimants rely on smoke and = mirrors,=20 illusions and diversions not real proof so they cannot stand up to the = most=20 basic scrutiny, when they are not allowed to use their deceptions and = tricks=20 and real light is cast upon them, they scurry away like cockroaches = from=20 light, as Steorn does.
    • CommentAuthormaryyugo=20
    • CommentTime16 hours ago edited=20
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    @Tesla
    Please = read and=20 respond to my remarks regarding testing of homeopathy by Randi's = organization=20 (in the other string). As to this message string:

    As Efend = noted,=20 you're overcomplicating everything. The challenge is very simple. All = a=20 claimant has to do is specify what it is they claim that's paranormal. = Then,=20 they need to agree on some way to prove that the claimed power or = ability is=20 real. Most claimants fall by the wayside at this point because they = can't=20 agree on a reasonable testing method and result. The next step is a=20 preliminary test to show that the claimant can perform as they say = they can=20 under somewhat informal conditions and at their own location. = Nobody...=20 NOBODY... has ever (EVER) gotten past that stage. That's not because = of Randi=20 or his associates -- it's because nobody could perform.

    Now = suppose=20 Randi or his people are cheating the claimant. All that claimant has = to do is=20 call the news organizations or even the tabloid press. Now, they can = even get=20 on the internet without any help at all. And then they can expose that = they=20 followed all the conditions of the challenge, performed in the = preliminary=20 test and were denied the final test. So where are all those cheated = claimants=20 and what have they done?

    The real problem is that most = applicants are=20 whackos. They are deluded, misled, or crooks. They can't perform what = they=20 claim. Most of the time, they can't even specify the claim properly, = much less=20 agree to a suitable test. The rest of the time, they will not allow = themselves=20 to be independently tested. You know... like Steorn, Goldes/MPI, = Tilley,=20 Bearden, Lee, etc. etc. etc. In case you've already forgotten it, Sean = said=20 that he would encourage the SPUDS to "take Randi's million" for = themselves.=20 Well... that was a while back. Have they filed their application=20 yet?

    None of this is a problem with what Randi and company do-- = while=20 Randi is not a scientist, many if not most of the people he works with = are.=20 But this isn't research. It's fraud and deception prevention. And = who's better=20 at detecting deception than a magician/conjurer? It's what they do for = a=20 living! The difference between a magician and a paranormalist is that = an=20 ethical magician tells you up front that he's performing an illusion. =
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      CommentAuthorQuanten=20
    • CommentTime15 hours ago
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    efend:
    What probably happened was JREF = asked for=20 this evidence offered to take part in experiments such as these, but = the=20 claimant likely refused. The claimants can never provide clear and=20 convincing proof of their claims. The Claimants rely on smoke and = mirrors,=20 illusions and diversions not real proof so they cannot stand up to = the most=20 basic scrutiny, when they are not allowed to use their deceptions = and tricks=20 and real light is cast upon them, they scurry away like cockroaches = from=20 light, as Steorn does.


    Wellllll spot on.
    • &= nbsp;
      CommentAuthorQuanten=20
    • CommentTime15 hours ago edited=20
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    Tesla : I would add = that you=20 show us an unhealthy trend, on being so obsessed with "randi" and = other=20 "organized skeptic" stopping those poor PSI researcher and lying to = the=20 public. Conspiracy theory all the wazoo.

    I think you should = add that=20 they also eat kitten at thanksgiving instead of turkey.
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime8 hours ago edited=20
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    joshs:By people do you mean whackados like = yourself=20 who have trouble reading basic English? .... The only deception here = is your=20 own self-deception.

    ---
    Josh, it appears you = are the=20 one having 'trouble reading basic English'. And no, I wasn't deceived = by=20 Randi's wording, I was explaining the situation to MaryYugo who after = me=20 previously explaining the situation to her in previous topic(s) yet = even after=20 reading the Randi website, still wrote '..Thousands of = people have=20 tried the preliminary tests over the years .... =

    If Mary,=20 who has communicated with Randi, even over protocols, tests etc. can = be misled=20 by Randi's wording on his website ..... what makes you think the = public and=20 media are not being misled by Randi's wording too?

    And it is = not just=20 Mary, here are the words of another poster on this forum HUW = '...=20 To the best of my knowledge, dozens of these preliminary tests are = performed=20 per year ...'

    Not according to Kramer's = statement.=20
    • CommentAuthormaryyugo=20
    • CommentTime8 hours ago
     permalink=20
    @Tesla
    Suppose = there are very=20 few preliminary tests and there have been no definitive tests, why do = you=20 think that is 3D:bigsmile:=20??=20 Is it possible that there are few preliminary tests because the = applicants=20 won't agree to any reasonable testing? Heck, some can't even specify = their=20 claim in any coherent way. And could there be no definitive testing = because=20 nobody could pass a preliminary test?3D:shocked:=20=20
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime8 hours ago edited=20
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    efend:
    The same thing with a psychic. Put = a=20 piece of paper into a safe, with something written on it, then ask = them to=20 remote view it. These things are not difficult to carry=20 out.

    ---
    So you believe ESP must be=20 super-duper-personal-power that can beat odds of 1,000,000 to 1 in = prize=20 challenge short trials OR must be 100% false? And impossible to be = somewhere=20 in between? Science is always black or white to you, eh?
    Science and the = taboo of=20 psi

    Whereas some deluded people, money making con artistes = and=20 hoaxers (a number of them magicians) who do mislead people's opinon = over what=20 psi claims are ....most claimants are claiming something much weaker = and=20 anomalous.

    Aspirin probably couldn't pass the = Randi/JREF 'self=20 evident' preliminary test either as a painkiller (placebos are = effective pain=20 killers) or as stroke preventer (very weak effect, requires long term = trial=20 costing more than a million). Using such logic would you view aspirin = as a=20 scam if it can't win a short preliminary trial for a prize? = (The=20 meta-analysis of lab telepathy in parapsychology trials is around 5 = times=20 greater effect size than research aspirin prevents a second heart=20 attack)
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime7 hours ago edited=20
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    Randi makes a claim = around the=20 40:30 minute mark in video
    Wind to=20 40.30mins

    '....'We = have=20 filing cabinets just full .....[reference to picture of Kramer with = cabinets]=20 .... all with little red stickers on them. That means they have = been tested=20 - no good.....'

    How = does=20 this match with Kramer's words '.....based upon=20 my preliminary investigation, is that Challenge records were = VERY=20 incomplete prior to my arrival here. There wasn't even a real = application file before I got here. We have a few VHS = tapes=20 of some tests, but it's unclear how many of those were official JREF = Challenge=20 tests, as many of these tapes are VERY old and without any=20 paperwork or accompanying data.....'

    Did = Kramer=20 suddenly find loads of missing experiments or are these cabinets full = of=20 meaningless expired applications?

    If these are really full of = failed=20 'tests' well Randi should have no problem providing this information = to a=20 independent scientific organization for analysis. These files sound so = neat=20 and tidy, JREF should have no problem counting the number of = experiments Randi=20 has conducted and publishing the numbers e somewhere on the JREF = website. .=20
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime7 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Whackado, you've got = NO=20 EVIDENCE. You call it weak effects. It's NO EVIDENCE. In all the time = the=20 whackado parapsychologists, psi believers, etc have been trying to = show their=20 beliefs to be true they haven't come up with ANY repeatable, = definitive=20 tests.

    There is always the ever so remote possibility that = despite all=20 the clumsy missteps of the whackados that there is some psi ability = out there.=20 If there is, the whackados have well established they won't be the = ones to=20 find it.

    Tesla:
    efend:
    The same thing with a psychic. = Put a=20 piece of paper into a safe, with something written on it, then ask = them to=20 remote view it. These things are not difficult to carry=20 out.

    ---
    So you believe ESP must be=20 super-duper-personal-power that can beat odds of 1,000,000 to 1 in = prize=20 challenge short trials OR must be 100% false? And impossible to be = somewhere=20 in between? Science is always black or white to you, eh?
    Science and = the taboo of=20 psi

    Whereas some deluded people, money making con = artistes and=20 hoaxers (a number of them magicians) who do mislead people's opinon = over=20 what psi claims are ....most claimants are claiming something much = weaker=20 and anomalous.

    Aspirin probably couldn't pass the = Randi/JREF=20 'self evident' preliminary test either as a painkiller (placebos are = effective pain killers) or as stroke preventer (very weak effect, = requires=20 long term trial costing more than a million). Using such logic would = you=20 view aspirin as a scam if it can't win a short preliminary trial for = a=20 prize? (The meta-analysis of lab telepathy in parapsychology = trials=20 is around 5 times greater effect size than research aspirin prevents = a=20 second heart=20 = attack)
    <= /DIV>
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime7 hours ago edited=20
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    maryyugo:@Tesla
    Suppose there are very few = preliminary tests and there have been no definitive tests, why do = you think=20 that is 3D:bigsmile:=20??=20 Is it possible that there are few preliminary tests because the = applicants=20 won't agree to any reasonable testing?

    ----=20
    Reasonable? Would you sign a form giving away your right to = complain to=20 someone well known for ridiculing people via the media? Read this = Million=20 Dollar Challenge rule ....


    8. When=20 entering into this challenge, as far as this may be done by = established legal=20 statutes, the applicant surrenders any and all rights to = legal=20 action against Mr. Randi, and/or against any persons peripherally = involved=20 , and/or against the James Randi Educational Foundation. This = applies=20 to injury, and/or accident, and/or any other damage of a physical = and/or=20 emotional nature, and/or financial and/or professional = lossand/or=20 damage of any kind

    This gives JREF/Randi=20 virtually absolute license to do what they like, The claimant can't = dispute=20 the result, they can't dispute how they are portrayed in media by JREF = and so=20 on.

    Also, how do you know it is the claimant who is being = unreasonable,=20 how do you know Randi is being reaonsable and fair in communication? =
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime7 hours ago
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    No dumbass, it = prevents=20 applicants from filing nuisance law suits.
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime6 hours ago
     permalink=20
    joshs:No dumbass, it prevents applicants from = filing nuisance law suits.

    ---
    Where is the rule = preventing=20 JREF from filing lawsuits?
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime6 hours ago edited=20
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    From James Randi's = website=20 biography ...

    ' .. James Randi has = an=20 international reputation as a magician and escape artist, but today he = is best=20 known as the world's most tireless investigator=20 and demystifier of paranormal and pseudoscientific = claims.=20

    So again the public is being given this impression that = Randi=20 has scientifically tested countless claimants. The people just trust = his=20 confidence and opinion.

    However Approximately 2 tests = per year=20 for the 1 million dollar prize, according to Kramer in 2005=20

    Even this low number of short preliminary = experiments, seems=20 more experiments than Randi/JREF wanted to test because in 2007 JREF = decided=20 applicants must have a 'media presence'. Also an 'academic' with = appropriate=20 qualification had to support their claim. . Which academic is going to = put=20 their career and reputation on the line under the above rules and=20 conditions?

    This bizarre decision was likely to reduce hardly = any=20 preliminary experiments to even less still.
    •  
      = CommentAuthor007=20
    • CommentTime6 hours ago
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    2 test per year -=20 lol

    Yeah, I can see how that's some fiercely tiresome = investigating.=20
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime4 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Whackado are you = mentally=20 challenged? Why do you keep misinterpreting common words and phrases? = Randi=20 indisputably investigates. It's the woo-woo artists who shy away from=20 tests.

    Tesla:From James Randi's website biography = ...=20

    ' .. James Randi has an = international=20 reputation as a magician and escape artist, but today he is best = known as=20 the world's most tireless investigator = and=20 demystifier of paranormal and pseudoscientific claims. =

    So=20 again the public is being given this impression that Randi has=20 scientifically tested countless claimants. The people just trust his = confidence and opinion.

    However Approximately 2 tests = per=20 year for the 1 million dollar prize, according to Kramer in 2005=20

    Even this low number of short preliminary = experiments,=20 seems more experiments than Randi/JREF wanted to test because in = 2007 JREF=20 decided applicants must have a 'media presence'. Also an 'academic' = with=20 appropriate qualification had to support their claim. . Which = academic is=20 going to put their career and reputation on the line under the above = rules=20 and conditions?

    This bizarre decision was likely to reduce = hardly any=20 preliminary experiments to even less still.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime4 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Who have they ever = sued? We know=20 ahole charlatans like Geller sue without merit.
    Tesla:
    joshs:No dumbass, it prevents applicants = from=20 filing nuisance law suits.

    ---
    Where is the = rule=20 preventing JREF from filing lawsuits?
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime3 hours ago edited=20
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    joshs:NO EVIDENCE

    ---
    You = simply=20 don't know. The sources you trust have not done any long-term = scientific=20 investigation capable of detecting weaker effects, they are merely=20 revisionists or targeting over the top claims (i.e. stronger effects). =

    Organized skepticism, is a house of cards built upon the = assumption,=20 that some very confident disbelievers, have done the conclusive = research to=20 support their a-prior disbelief of anomalous and unconventional claims = ....=20 their research is either non-existent or hardly conclusive. You simply = cannot=20 know for certain.

    The sensible position is 'doubt', true = skepticism=20 .... it seems to me you are bordering upon pathological disbelief =
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime3 hours ago edited=20
     permalink=20
    Tesla:
    Kramer's comment was deleted from = the=20 Randi forum, Then later the thread it contained was never put back = up after=20 an forum upgrade, although most other threads returned. However if = you read=20 this thread, you will read a forum member quotes Kramer's=20 post.

    ---
    I've just noticed Kramer's comment = and topic=20 is back! Hmm....I searched hard for that comment years ago and it = wasn't=20 there! It must be magic! ... so well done JREF! 3D:thumbup:=20=20
    It's = back!

    Perhaps there is hope for JREF afterall to one day = put=20 science before politics and to put true skepticism (i.e. doubt) before = pseudo-skepticism (i.e. lack of doubt).

    In the words of the = late=20 Marcello Truzzi ' 'Type one' = error is=20 thinking that something special is happening when nothing special = really is=20 happening. 'Type two' error is thinking that nothing special is = happening,=20 when in fact something rare or infrequent is happening.'=20

    Many = opposing=20 unconventional claims in science, feel something weak, unpredictable = or=20 infrequent is less likely to be 'real'. Science will always find the = most=20 stable strong effects first, as an effect that works infrequently is = of=20 limited practical value. But all effects, whether weak, erratic or = just harder=20 to detect can potentially modify theoretical physics every bit as=20 much.

    So which error is more harmful to science Type 1 error or = Type 2=20 error?

    "I ask you, which = is the=20 greater threat to science and mankind, accepting a claim that can have = no=20 possible benefit, or rejecting a claim that can have great benefit?"=20 -Dr. Edmund Storms

    Surely the = default=20 position in science must err in favour of the possibility ... however=20 organized (pseudo) skepticism seems to be arguing the opposite, by = painting=20 unconventional claims as dangerous and a-priori impossible? This is = crazy. The=20 goal of science isn't to change how the world thinks, it is to do = proper=20 experiments, look very carefully and honestly, follow the data = wherever it=20 leads. 3D:smile:=20=20
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime2 hours ago
     permalink=20
    If we don't know it = is because=20 we have NO EVIDENCE. I don't care about the source, I care about the = method.=20 Whackados use shoddy methods and get worthless results. That's junk=20 science.

    When you have evidence I like many skeptics will be = happy to=20 look. The way that whackados operate in the parapsychology field it is = unlikely they will ever turn up reliable evidence. But it is always = possible.=20 And if they do, skeptics will pay attention. The idea that skeptics = are=20 married to fixed ideas is a whackado idea that you insist on repeating = despite=20 it being refuted by evidence. The skeptic you love to harp on: Randi = goes to=20 considerable effort to point out that he looks for evidence. He does = not seek=20 to debunk. He seeks to find out what is true. What he finds out, like = any=20 reasonable person would is that there are many people making claims = for=20 woo-woo like psi, and homeopathy that is complete bunk: The claimants = cannot=20 support there claims with evidence.

    Your charge that skeptics = are=20 married to rigid beliefs is completely wrong. Skepticism is healthy, = it is the=20 basis of real science. Ideas are tested and attempts are made to = falsify them.=20 Belief follows only from strong supporting evidence. And if new = evidence means=20 that a belief is incomplete or wrong, the beliefs are changed to fit = what has=20 been learned. Charging that there is some evil conspiracy of = "organized=20 skepticism" might as well charge a conspiracy of "organized thinking" = or=20 "organized breathing". Why whackados so passionately object to clear = rational=20 process is something I may never understand.

    Tesla:
    joshs:NO = EVIDENCE

    ---
    You simply=20 don't know. The sources you trust have not done any long-term = scientific=20 investigation capable of detecting weaker effects, they are merely=20 revisionists or targeting over the top claims (i.e. stronger = effects).=20

    Organized skepticism, is a house of cards built upon the = assumption,=20 that some skeptics, have done the conclusive research to support = their=20 a-prior confident disbelief of anomalous and unconventional claims = .... it=20 just isn't there. You simply cannot know for certain.

    The = sensible=20 position is 'doubt', true skepticism .... it seems to me you are = bordering=20 upon pathological disbelief
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime2 hours ago
     permalink=20
    Dumbass believing in = crap=20 because it would be nice if it were true is religion. Believing in = what is=20 evidenced and has withstood reasonable efforts to falsify it is=20 science.

    Tesla:
    Tesla:
    Kramer's comment was deleted from = the=20 Randi forum, Then later the thread it contained was never put back = up=20 after an forum upgrade, although most other threads returned. = However if=20 you read this thread, you will read a forum member quotes Kramer's = post.

    ---
    I've just noticed Kramer's = comment and=20 topic is back! Hmm....I searched hard for that comment years ago and = it=20 wasn't there! It must be magic! ... so well done JREF! 3D:thumbup:=20=20
    It's=20 back!

    Perhaps there is hope for JREF afterall to one day = put=20 science before politics and to put true skepticism (i.e. doubt) = before=20 pseudo-skepticism (i.e. lack of doubt).

    In the words of the = late=20 Marcello Truzzi ' 'Type = one' error is=20 thinking that something special is happening when nothing special = really is=20 happening. 'Type two' error is thinking that nothing special is = happening,=20 when in fact something rare or infrequent is happening.'=20

    Many = opposing unconventional claims in science, feel something weak,=20 unpredictable or infrequent is less likely to be 'real'. Science = will always=20 find the most stable strong effects first, as an effect that works=20 infrequently is of limited practical value. But all effects, whether = weak,=20 erratic or just harder to detect can potentially modify theoretical = physics=20 every bit as much.

    So which error is more harmful to science = Type 1=20 error or Type 2 error?

    "I ask=20 you, which is the greater threat to science and mankind, accepting a = claim=20 that can have no possible benefit, or rejecting a claim that can = have great=20 benefit?" -Dr. Edmund Storms =

    Surely the=20 default position in science must err in favour of the possibility = ...=20 however organized (pseudo) skepticism seems to be arguing the = opposite, by=20 painting unconventional claims as dangerous and a-priori impossible? = This is=20 crazy. The goal of science isn't to change how the world thinks, it = is to do=20 proper experiments, look very carefully and honestly, follow the = data=20 wherever it leads. 3D:smile:=20
    • CommentAuthorTesla=20
    • CommentTime2 hours ago edited=20
     permalink=20
    joshs:Dumbass believing in crap because it = would be=20 nice if it were true is religion.

    ----
    I am = not=20 religious. I am a skeptic, I am just not into pathological disbelief.=20

    You are the one turning science in to 'scientism' a mere faith = that=20 certain topics (which you displayed an ignorance of in our previous=20 discussion) must be a-priori false.
    • CommentAuthormaryyugo=20
    • CommentTime2 hours ago edited=20
     permalink=20
    @Tesla
    Far as I = know, you=20 didn't respond at all to what I asked you about the homeopathy tests = nor to=20 the extensive post I did about homeopathy in another string. Cat got = your=20 tongue?

    Surely the default position in science must err in favour = of the=20 possibility ... however organized (pseudo) skepticism seems to be = arguing=20 the opposite, by painting unconventional claims as dangerous and = a-priori=20 impossible? This is crazy.
    As believers often do and as = Sterling=20 Allan illustrates graphically in the string=20 about the guy with the supposed magnet motor on Youtube , you're = confusing=20 baseless claims with evidence.

    There's no reason to believe = claims. The=20 less likely they are (or unconventional, whatever that actually means) = the=20 less they should be believed. EVIDENCE is what matters. And for = unlikely=20 claims or claims which contradict well established knowledge for which = there=20 is excellent evidence, you'd better have some dynamite experimental = results=20 and theory or there is no reason to consider what you say. If one = considered=20 every whacko idea, we'd all be chasing unicorns and there would be no = time for=20 real work.
    • CommentAuthorjoshs =
    • CommentTime1 hour ago
     permalink=20
    When you declare = that you=20 believe without evidence, you declare that you are religious. = Pathological=20 belief/disbelief such as you exhibit occurs when one ignores the = reality of=20 facts before them and continues with contrary beliefs just the same. A = prime=20 example is that no matter how many times one of these skeptics you = disagree=20 with, be it me, be it quanten, be it whoever expalin that there is no = rigid=20 beliefs: new evidence leads to new learning, you reject it out of = hand. Then=20 you insist on believing crap for which there is no evidence. You are a = whackado deluxe.

    Tesla:
    joshs:Dumbass believing in crap because it = would=20 be nice if it were true is religion. =

    ----
    I am not=20 religious. I am a skeptic, I am just not into pathological = disbelief.=20

    You are the one turning science in to 'scientism' a mere = faith that=20 certain topics (which you displayed an ignorance of in our previous=20 discussion) must be a-priori = false.

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block } ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C9A86C.5AD06170 Content-Type: text/css; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Location: http://www.steorn.com/forum/extensions/Vanillacons/style.css .VanillaconsLink { CURSOR: pointer } #VanillaconsSmilies { MARGIN: 5px 0px 0px } #VanillaconsSmilies LI { PADDING-RIGHT: 5px; DISPLAY: inline; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-BOTTOM: = 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C9A86C.5AD06170 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Location: http://www.steorn.com/forum/js/global.js /*=0A= * Copyright 2003 - 2005 Mark O'Sullivan=0A= * This file is part of Lussumo's Software Library.=0A= * Lussumo's Software Library is free software; you can redistribute it = and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as = published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the = License, or (at your option) any later version.=0A= * Lussumo's Software Library is distributed in the hope that it will be = useful, but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of = MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU = General Public License for more details.=0A= * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License = along with Vanilla; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., = 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA=0A= * The latest source code is available at www.lussumo.com=0A= * Contact Mark O'Sullivan at mark [at] lussumo [dot] com=0A= * =0A= * Description: Non-application specific utility functions=0A= */=0A= =0A= if(document.all && !document.getElementById) {=0A= document.getElementById =3D function(id) {=0A= return document.all[id];=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function BlockSubmit(evt, Handler) {=0A= var Key =3D evt.keyCode || evt.which;=0A= if (Key =3D=3D 13) {=0A= Handler();=0A= return false;=0A= } else {=0A= return true;=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function CheckAll(IdToMatch) {=0A= var Ids =3D Explode(IdToMatch, ',');=0A= for (j =3D 0; j < Ids.length; j++) {=0A= CheckSwitch(Ids[j], true);=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function CheckNone(IdToMatch) {=0A= var Ids =3D Explode(IdToMatch, ',');=0A= for (j =3D 0; j < Ids.length; j++) {=0A= CheckSwitch(Ids[j], false);=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function CheckSwitch(IdToMatch, Switch) {=0A= var el =3D document.getElementsByTagName("input");=0A= for (i =3D 0; i < el.length; i++) {=0A= if (el[i].type =3D=3D "checkbox" && el[i].id.indexOf(IdToMatch) =3D=3D = 0) {=0A= el[i].checked =3D Switch;=0A= }=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function ClearContents(Container) {=0A= if (Container) Container.innerHTML =3D "";=0A= }=0A= =0A= function Explode(inString, Delimiter) {=0A= aTmp =3D new Array(1);=0A= var Count =3D 0;=0A= var sTmp =3D new String(inString);=0A= =0A= while (sTmp.indexOf(Delimiter) > 0) {=0A= aTmp[Count] =3D sTmp.substr(0, sTmp.indexOf(Delimiter));=0A= sTmp =3D sTmp.substr(sTmp.indexOf(Delimiter) + 1, sTmp.length - = sTmp.indexOf(Delimiter) + 1); =0A= Count =3D Count + 1=0A= }=0A= =0A= aTmp[Count] =3D sTmp;=0A= return aTmp;=0A= }=0A= =0A= function Focus(ElementID) {=0A= var el =3D document.getElementById(ElementID);=0A= if (el) el.focus();=0A= }=0A= =0A= function GetElements(ElementName, ElementIDPrefix) {=0A= var Elements =3D document.getElementsByTagName(ElementName);=0A= var objects =3D new Array();=0A= for (i =3D 0; i < Elements.length; i++) {=0A= if (Elements[i].id.indexOf(ElementIDPrefix) =3D=3D 0) {=0A= objects[objects.length] =3D Elements[i]; =0A= }=0A= }=0A= return objects;=0A= }=0A= =0A= function HideElement(ElementID, ClearElement) {=0A= var Element =3D document.getElementById(ElementID);=0A= if (Element) {=0A= Element.style.display =3D "none";=0A= if (ClearElement =3D=3D 1) ClearContents(Element);=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function SwitchPreference(AjaxUrl, PreferenceName, = RefreshPageWhenComplete) {=0A= var Container =3D document.getElementById(PreferenceName);=0A= var CheckBox =3D document.getElementById(PreferenceName+'ID');=0A= if (CheckBox && Container) {=0A= Container.className =3D 'PreferenceProgress';=0A= var dm =3D new DataManager();=0A= dm.Param =3D PreferenceName;=0A= dm.RequestFailedEvent =3D HandleFailure;=0A= if (RefreshPageWhenComplete =3D=3D 1) {=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D RefreshPageWhenAjaxComplete;=0A= } else {=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D PreferenceSet;=0A= }=0A= = dm.LoadData(AjaxUrl+"?Type=3D"+PreferenceName+"&Switch=3D"+CheckBox.check= ed); =0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function PreferenceSet(Request) {=0A= setTimeout("CompletePreferenceSet('"+this.Param+"');", 400);=0A= }=0A= function CompletePreferenceSet(PreferenceName) {=0A= var Container =3D document.getElementById(PreferenceName);=0A= if (Container) Container.className =3D 'PreferenceComplete';=0A= }=0A= =0A= function PopTermsOfService(Url) {=0A= window.open(Url, "TermsOfService", = "toolbar=3Dno,status=3Dyes,location=3Dno,menubar=3Dno,resizable=3Dyes,hei= ght=3D600,width=3D400,scrollbars=3Dyes");=0A= }=0A= =0A= function RefreshPage(Timeout) {=0A= if (!Timeout) Timeout =3D 400;=0A= setTimeout("document.location.reload();", Timeout);=0A= }=0A= =0A= function RefreshPageWhenAjaxComplete(Request) {=0A= RefreshPage(); =0A= }=0A= =0A= function SubmitForm(FormName, Sender, WaitText) {=0A= Wait(Sender, WaitText);=0A= document[FormName].submit();=0A= }=0A= =0A= function SwitchElementClass(ElementToChangeID, SenderID, StyleA, StyleB, = CommentA, CommentB) {=0A= var Element =3D document.getElementById(ElementToChangeID);=0A= Sender =3D document.getElementById(SenderID);=0A= if (Element && Sender) {=0A= if (Element.className =3D=3D StyleB) {=0A= Element.className =3D StyleA;=0A= Sender.innerHTML =3D CommentA;=0A= } else {=0A= Element.className =3D StyleB;=0A= Sender.innerHTML =3D CommentB;=0A= } =0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function SwitchExtension(AjaxUrl, ExtensionKey) {=0A= var Item =3D document.getElementById(ExtensionKey);=0A= if (Item) Item.className =3D "Processing";=0A= var Parameters =3D "ExtensionKey=3D"+ExtensionKey;=0A= var dm =3D new DataManager();=0A= dm.Param =3D ExtensionKey;=0A= dm.RequestFailedEvent =3D SwitchExtensionResult;=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D SwitchExtensionResult;=0A= dm.LoadData(AjaxUrl+"?"+Parameters);=0A= }=0A= =0A= function SwitchExtensionResult(Request) {=0A= var Item =3D document.getElementById(Trim(Request.responseText));=0A= if (Item) {=0A= = setTimeout("SwitchExtensionItemClass('"+Trim(Request.responseText)+"')",4= 00);=0A= } else {=0A= alert("param: '"+this.Param+"'");=0A= alert("response: '"+Trim(Request.responseText)+"'");=0A= alert("Failed to modify extension.");=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function SwitchExtensionItemClass(ItemID) {=0A= var Item =3D document.getElementById(ItemID);=0A= var chk =3D document.getElementById('chk'+ItemID+'ID');=0A= if (Item && chk) Item.className =3D chk.checked ? 'Enabled' : = 'Disabled';=0A= }=0A= =0A= function Trim(String) {=0A= return String.replace(/^\s*|\s*$/g,"");=0A= }=0A= =0A= function Wait(Sender, WaitText) {=0A= Sender.disabled =3D true;=0A= Sender.value =3D WaitText;=0A= =0A= el =3D Sender.parentNode;=0A= while(el !=3D null) {=0A= if (el.tagName =3D=3D "FORM") {=0A= el.submit();=0A= break;=0A= }=0A= el =3D el.parentNode;=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function WriteEmail(d, n, v) {=0A= document.write("");=0A= if (v =3D=3D '') {=0A= document.write(n+"@"+d);=0A= } else {=0A= document.write(v);=0A= }=0A= document.write("");=0A= } ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C9A86C.5AD06170 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Location: http://www.steorn.com/forum/js/vanilla.js /*=0A= * Copyright 2003 - 2005 Mark O'Sullivan=0A= * This file is part of Vanilla.=0A= * Vanilla is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it = under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the = Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your = option) any later version.=0A= * Vanilla is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, but WITHOUT = ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of MERCHANTABILITY or = FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the GNU General Public License = for more details.=0A= * You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License = along with Vanilla; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation, Inc., = 59 Temple Place, Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307 USA=0A= * The latest source code for Vanilla is available at www.lussumo.com=0A= * Contact Mark O'Sullivan at mark [at] lussumo [dot] com=0A= * =0A= * Description: Utility functions specific to Vanilla=0A= */=0A= =0A= // Add a new custom name/value pair input to the account form=0A= function AddLabelValuePair() {=0A= var Counter =3D document.getElementById('LabelValuePairCount');=0A= var Container =3D document.getElementById('CustomInfo');=0A= if (Counter && Container) {=0A= Counter.value++;=0A= =0A= var Label =3D document.createElement("li");=0A= var LabelInput =3D document.createElement("input");=0A= LabelInput.type =3D "text";=0A= LabelInput.name =3D "Label"+Counter.value;=0A= LabelInput.maxLength =3D "20";=0A= LabelInput.className =3D "LVLabelInput";=0A= =0A= // Create the value container =0A= var Value =3D document.createElement("li");=0A= var ValueInput =3D document.createElement("input");=0A= ValueInput.type =3D "text";=0A= ValueInput.name =3D "Value"+Counter.value;=0A= ValueInput.maxLength =3D "200";=0A= ValueInput.className =3D "LVValueInput";=0A= =0A= // Add the items to the page=0A= Label.appendChild(LabelInput);=0A= Value.appendChild(ValueInput);=0A= Container.appendChild(Label);=0A= Container.appendChild(Value);=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function DiscussionSwitch(AjaxUrl, SwitchType, DiscussionID, = SwitchValue, SenderID) {=0A= var Sender =3D document.getElementById(SenderID);=0A= if (Sender) Sender.className =3D 'Progress';=0A= var Parameters =3D = "Type=3D"+SwitchType+"&DiscussionID=3D"+DiscussionID+"&Switch=3D"+SwitchV= alue;=0A= var dm =3D new DataManager();=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D RefreshPageWhenAjaxComplete;=0A= dm.RequestFailedEvent =3D HandleFailure;=0A= dm.LoadData(AjaxUrl+"?"+Parameters);=0A= }=0A= =0A= function HideComment(AjaxUrl, Switch, DiscussionID, CommentID, ShowText, = HideText, SenderID) {=0A= var ConfirmText =3D (Switch=3D=3D1?HideText:ShowText);=0A= if (confirm(ConfirmText)) {=0A= var Sender =3D document.getElementById(SenderID);=0A= if (Sender) {=0A= Sender.innerHTML =3D ' ';=0A= Sender.className =3D 'HideProgress';=0A= }=0A= var dm =3D new DataManager();=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D RefreshPageWhenAjaxComplete;=0A= dm.RequestFailedEvent =3D HandleFailure;=0A= = dm.LoadData(AjaxUrl+"?Type=3DComment&Switch=3D"+Switch+"&DiscussionID=3D"= +DiscussionID+"&CommentID=3D"+CommentID);=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= // Apply or remove a bookmark=0A= function SetBookmark(AjaxUrl, CurrentSwitchVal, Identifier, = BookmarkText, UnbookmarkText) {=0A= var Sender =3D document.getElementById('SetBookmark');=0A= if (Sender) {=0A= Sender.className =3D 'Progress';=0A= var Switch =3D Sender.name =3D=3D '' ? 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BookmarkText : UnbookmarkText);=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D BookmarkComplete;=0A= dm.RequestFailedEvent =3D BookmarkFailed;=0A= = dm.LoadData(AjaxUrl+"?Type=3DBookmark&Switch=3D"+FlipSwitch+"&DiscussionI= D=3D"+Identifier);=0A= }=0A= }=0A= function ApplyBookmark(Element, ClassName, Text) {=0A= var Button =3D document.getElementById(Element);=0A= if (Button) {=0A= Button.className =3D ClassName;=0A= Button.innerHTML =3D Text;=0A= } =0A= }=0A= function BookmarkComplete(Request) {=0A= setTimeout("ApplyBookmark('SetBookmark', 'Complete', = '"+this.Param+"');", 400);=0A= }=0A= function BookmarkFailed(Request) {=0A= var Button =3D document.getElementById('SetBookmark');=0A= if (Button) {=0A= Button.className =3D 'Complete';=0A= alert("Failed: ("+Request.status+") "+Request.statusText);=0A= }=0A= }=0A= function ShowAdvancedSearch() {=0A= var SearchSimple =3D document.getElementById("SearchSimpleFields");=0A= var SearchDiscussions =3D = document.getElementById("SearchDiscussionFields");=0A= var SearchComments =3D document.getElementById("SearchCommentFields");=0A= var SearchUsers =3D document.getElementById("SearchUserFields");=0A= =0A= if (SearchSimple && SearchDiscussions && SearchComments && SearchUsers = ) {=0A= SearchSimple.style.display =3D "none";=0A= SearchDiscussions.style.display =3D "block";=0A= SearchComments.style.display =3D "block";=0A= SearchUsers.style.display =3D "block";=0A= }=0A= }=0A= function ShowSimpleSearch() {=0A= var SearchSimple =3D document.getElementById("SearchSimpleFields");=0A= var SearchDiscussions =3D = document.getElementById("SearchDiscussionFields");=0A= var SearchComments =3D document.getElementById("SearchCommentFields");=0A= var SearchUsers =3D document.getElementById("SearchUserFields");=0A= =0A= if (SearchSimple && SearchDiscussions && SearchComments && SearchUsers = ) {=0A= SearchSimple.style.display =3D "block";=0A= SearchDiscussions.style.display =3D "none";=0A= SearchComments.style.display =3D "none";=0A= SearchUsers.style.display =3D "none";=0A= }=0A= }=0A= =0A= function ToggleCategoryBlock(AjaxUrl, CategoryID, Block, SenderID) {=0A= var Sender =3D document.getElementById(SenderID);=0A= if (Sender) {=0A= Sender.innerHTML =3D ' ';=0A= Sender.className =3D 'HideProgress';=0A= }=0A= var Parameters =3D "BlockCategoryID=3D"+CategoryID+"&Block=3D"+Block;=0A= var dm =3D new DataManager();=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D RefreshPageWhenAjaxComplete;=0A= dm.RequestFailedEvent =3D HandleFailure;=0A= dm.LoadData(AjaxUrl+"?"+Parameters);=0A= }=0A= =0A= function ToggleCommentBox(AjaxUrl, SmallText, BigText) {=0A= SwitchElementClass('CommentBox', 'CommentBoxController', = 'SmallCommentBox', 'LargeCommentBox', BigText, SmallText);=0A= var SwitchVal =3D 0;=0A= var CommentBox =3D document.getElementById("CommentBox");=0A= if (CommentBox) {=0A= if (CommentBox.className =3D=3D "LargeCommentBox") SwitchVal =3D 1;=0A= =0A= var Parameters =3D "Type=3DShowLargeCommentBox&Switch=3D"+SwitchVal;=0A= var dm =3D new DataManager();=0A= dm.RequestCompleteEvent =3D ToggleCommentBoxComplete;=0A= dm.RequestFailedEvent =3D HandleFailure;=0A= dm.LoadData(AjaxUrl+"?"+Parameters); =0A= }=0A= }=0A= function ToggleCommentBoxComplete(Request) {=0A= // Don't do anything.=0A= }=0A= =0A= function WhisperBack(DiscussionID, WhisperTo, BaseUrl) {=0A= var frm =3D document.getElementById("frmPostComment");=0A= if (!frm) {=0A= document.location =3D BaseUrl + = "post.php?PostBackAction=3DReply&DiscussionID=3D"+DiscussionID+"&WhisperU= sername=3D"+escape(WhisperTo);=0A= } else {=0A= frm.WhisperUsername.value =3D WhisperTo;=0A= frm.Body.focus();=0A= }=0A= } ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C9A86C.5AD06170 Content-Type: application/octet-stream Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Location: http://www.steorn.com/forum/js/ajax.js function DataManager() {=0A= // Properties=0A= var self =3D this;=0A= self.RequestCompleteEvent =3D null;=0A= this.RequestCompleteEvent =3D self.RequestCompleteEvent;=0A= self.RequestFailedEvent =3D null;=0A= this.RequestFailedEvent =3D self.RequestFailedEvent;=0A= // Param is a property where you can store information which you may = require=0A= // once the datahandler is complete. 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